[A]Deepvertigo's direct game method (english full)

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le 14.08.2009 par Deepvertigo

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Pour celles et ceux qui veulent discuter et demander des conseils rencontres et séduction; comment faire avec cette fille ou ce mec; et plus généralement, comment pécho / trouver l'amour à l'ère du swipe left, notamment quand on est ni mannequin, ni un ninja de la drague.
Introduction

Warning:

This post is NOT a commercial announcement.

In fact I started to write a book but my method will never fill an entire book. I don’t want to fill it of shit to get lotta pages. I post it here for free. I am waiting for your feedbacks to improve this post :) U can start already from chapter 1. I really hope it will help you to improve your skills.

In first my presentation and my feedbacks to show you that it works well.
I am Deepvertigo, 26 years old and despite I am French, I am livin in Dublin.
I started as a real AFC (hitch-hiking under snow to see a girl, blabla....).

This is my story:

- May 2005: I left my family, my LTR and my friend to find a job in London with 1000 Euros, because I was unemployed.
I paid for a sharing room for two months. I did not speak English then it was impossible to find any jobs. I ate for two months only rice with ketchup. I ate twice with homeless (amazing people).
Then I find a job in MacDonald's.

July 2005: Find a job in a select nightclub and fucked my ugly flatmate, because I was needy as hell. Impossible to pickup any girls despite strong Approach invitations.

September 2005: I find a job in a call centre in Dublin, and I could get there cause someone borrow me money.

January 2006: Find a really better job. Met a girl I kissed one week then she dumped me.
Why: You are too nice!

February 2006 find out the French Community.

Since I approached more than 1300 girls: 500 first: 3k-closes and only 1 f-close. Then I drastically improved my game.
I learnt to fight AA in the street then I specialized in MM. In the main time I really like direct-game.

September 2006: Started to give bootcamp in Ireland for the Irish and the French community.

February 2007: I met Icedragon in the last MysteryMethod bootcamp where he was invited like me to help Tenmagnet. Nice to be there.
And I started to have strong skills in direct-game.

Then I created my own special direct-game method.

April 2007: I have been invited by icedragon to the Scotland-Lair super seminar.

May 2007: Met BG from Neederlands.

June 2007: Invited to the Euro summit (where I did not go because I could not afford the plane ticket) and Birmingham super Seminar where I met Craze, Gem, Harlequin, and Magnus....

For once, happy end could be true there except that it will never end, cause I have always new goals like working on a direct-game method to pick-up hired-guns

Now I am very glad to be there!!!!!!!!!!
We split up into small groups each led by a top PUA. I was lucky enough to be in the group with the incredible Deep Vertigo who made direct day game look as easy as drinking coffee! He pushed us all into sets using a clear, simple, consistent approach: direct opener, followed by fluff talk, then a challenge/qualify her. Some of the other guys in the group seemed to get immediate and positive results but I struggled a bit. It was useful to see the master at work though.

Z, Birmingham
Basically the main reason why I did this seminar – to get into day game.
DeepVertigo was amazing. Fuckin love the guy, he’s a legend. Taught me a lot. Wouldn’t mind visiting him and doing a lot more work on this.


Mo, Leeds
But I wont spend money on another seminar again.. The only exception is DeepVertigo.......would definitive spend money to get out with him again, though it would just be to help me calibrate in the field since Feedback is the best thing for learning.

R, Erdington
This book is not the perfect seduction manual. I put all my knowledge and what really worked in my case. In order to achieve this goal, I spend thousands of hours reading and socializing, and got the chance to meet a lot of amazing people thanks to it. I could never guess, when I start to be interested in the PUA community, I would write my own book.
It seems my students have awesome results with it. I guess some people won’t like it.
I really want to insist on some important points of this method which, I believe, should be repeated several times to be anchored in your mind. You may be surprised at the beginning but please keep reading to understand the whole method.
Hope it helps

Sincerely

Deepvertigo
C'est la facon dont je l'avais poste :)

N'hesitez pas a critiquer, laissez vos impressions et argumenter ce qui peut etre ameliore :)
Chapter 1: Approaching

There is many way to approach people but we will especially speak about direct approaches.

Basic rules

We all have friends (I hope) or, at least, asked for information like the time, a place we don’t know. You have been approached too by salesman, homeless or even women! Did you notice how you tend to react in these situations? Most of the time people are surprised, scared... Some can ignore you too. Now have you already think the reason of theses patterns? I used the word “Pattern”, because we developed different responses based on our past experience. The most common response to a cold approach after asking a smoke in the street is: “Sorry bro, just one left.” There are so many guys in the street with only one cigarette :)

If you can’t obtain a free cigarette or some change in the street, don’t think about meeting hot women in your daily life.(1)

There are some hints to increase your chance to stop people in the street and gain their attention.(2)

Introducing yourself: by giving your name, you will be closer to them than you think. You are not a random stranger anymore.

Don’t apologize: is it something wrong by asking something to someone? No! Excuses must be used when you have done something bad or shown a lake of respect to someone. You can use the word please when you ask something. Apologies show a low self-confidence.

Kino: some people are very sensitive to it. Touching people as soon as you can and check their reaction.

Approach on an angle: 45 degrees is perfect. You can pivot closer and farer when you feel the need to. A frontal or a back approach is too invasive and may surprise or scared your target. You can front your target only when she/he has been stopped.

Don’t judge on appearances: some of you may think an I-pod or a mobile phone is the sign of a strong bitch-shield. Wrong! I picked-up my current girlfriend despite her was using both. I’ll give you later good openers to deal with it.

Go without thinking about what you’ll tell: you’ll look like more confident. It will help you to acquire good reflexes and improve your improvisation skills. If your main goal is to become a natural player, focus especially on this point.

Keep your distance: Everybody has an intimacy bubble. This one depends of the culture(3) and the person’s education. Breaking this vital space too early and you are out.

I supposed that you noticed, some points can’t work together like kino and keep your distance. Try all theses points by asking some change or cigarettes in the street. Check what works for you, and which point you may improve. This is very important to do it, because 80% of the approached person’s decision will be based on this set of skills.


The art of being direct

Meaning and utility

The goal is to demonstrate your immediate interest to your target. You can do it verbally or not. It is more complicated than it looks like.(4)

When I started to be involved in the PUA community , I have been quickly interested in direct-game. In fact after few months, I was feeling wasting my time by approaching people in bars. Of course meeting new people is the best thing in life for us, human beings, and sociable animals. You will learn a lot about any subject from religion to sports or arts. I merely wanted to be sure to get lay often and quickly.

At this period, I had just read on the Internet about a scientist who did an interesting experience. He was saying than every healthy man ugly or not (he was really...) could have sex with an average or good-looking girl in less than one month, all of it without money, just a condom. He said he approached every girl he was seeing in the street until he sleeps with one. He scored around the 300th. You are just thinking he played with numbers, anybody can easily do it. Could you guess what his kind of opener was?

Hello! You are fucking hot! Let’s go for a coffee and have sex afterwards

He was using a serious intonation; it was not a joke or told in a funny way. He was asking to have sex right away. Is it still easy for you now? Would you have enough balls to do it?

Don’t stop reading. This was just a story. We will not use the same opener than him. A bit less direct :)

Anyway, I asked myself why it works for him. I wanted to try that because I was really needy. Then I went in Grafton Street to try it three-hundred times too but I was too scared to approach women with such an opener. I went out for five evenings and same results; once again I was too anxious to do it. I decided to push myself mentally by finding why he should work. I suddenly realized what was missing, the key:

I did not have enough balls. It explained everything. I was still working on the famous Mystery Method and strongly had the wrong belief routines were essential.

Having balls is the biggest DHV ever. This guy was attractive because he was the only one to have enough guts to show right away his intentions. Honesty is the second strong attractive point. In indirect game, you are lying about your intention with women. Most of guys are indirect, a sign of cowardice for a lot of women. I prefer to say, being direct is a sign of courage. Only real men assume themselves, their beliefs and their desires. It is logically going well with other famous methods. A female is looking for a male who can protect them and will take care of her only. This is a basic feminine need to be support by her man. No one can deny it. We will speak more about in the faith section.

Another good point is you are not wasting your time. When I was using indirect-game, I was spending hours with different groups of people. It was nice, because it improved my social skills, my social circle, and helped me to make new friends. The problem was I could not have a very quick lay. I had to manage obstacles,, be friendly with my target’s friend and everything going with it.

Now, I know within few minutes or second, if it is on or not. It increased the number of my approaches. You will ask me what the point about that? By approaching more girls than usual, you will be used to approach them. Fear and anxiety will decrease with that. This method works really well when you are 100% confident when you approach girls. I’ll give you later some exercises to do to implement this habit.

When a girl is hooked with this method, you have 75% of chance to date her or having her phone number. The only thing is to avoid basic mistakes like described in other methods. In fact, if you can stop her in the street, it means she is strongly interested. You don’t need any other sign of interest to show it. Do you think she would stop if she was not attracted to you? Of course she won’t.

Following the last sentence, when you are getting her phone number, flakes are drastically decreasing. By exchanging phone numbers, you both assume you like each other and you should meet in a flirting context. She knows it by doing this. That is why you will have solid phone numbers in five minutes, more solid than some you took after an hour of a usual interaction. This system is getting you saving time. Time is precious; we don’t want to spend for useless purpose.

To summarize, you just need balls and honesty to get more girls :).

Do and don’t

There are some places where you don’t have to approach girls:

• Close of ATMs (except if you like CRS gas).

• Small and/or dark streets.

• Dirty places/streets.

We spoke about the wild part of direct approaches. There is a romantic aspect too, probably not for you, but for them.

Most of girls I know always loved shit romantic TV shows and movies like Bridget Jones or Nothing hill. Of course life and meeting girls is not like in theses movies. TV and actual occidental society makes us, men, nice guys who believe you have to be nice and buy flowers. That kind of guy, I was one of them 2 years ago. You can show your love with crazy declarations, it will not change anything, this girl will not change her mind about you, and you are just a nice creepy guy. Our brains are brainwashed by a happy end American movie culture. Disney movies are the worst thing to watch. Thanks to them, most of men believe they can get girl by being romantic. It is time to open your eyes my friends. That is true, girls love so much Disney movies, because it makes them dream and phantasm. If you asked them, they would like to be this TV heroin who has been seduced by a beautiful prince who played guitar in front of her castle. This is just a fantasy to escape our reality.

Women do not know what they really want! They don’t really know what turn them on. Not consciously at least... Sometimes they do know, but they don't tell either.

But who don’t like to dream? We all dreams awake. Sometimes our mind is on standby, busy with our thoughts and figment of the imagination, like when we go to bed just before sleeping.

I met him in the coffee shop, you know like in this episode of Friends when Rachel...

They don’t really like romance as much as they tell but they love to say to their friend that kind of stories. That is why you have to follow theses rules:

• Don’t do it drunk/stoned: it shows a lake of confidence and no balls at all. No romantic at all too.

• Do it everywhere (no excuses): in the bus, streets, shops...

• Do it when you feel attraction to the girl.

It will help to increase your chance to start romantic interactions with women. Its looks like more natural and dreamy to meet her in a coffee shop than a club or your local pub.

Most of relationships started thanks to social circles. This method does not require blazing your own social circle to get cheeks. In fact I tend to avoid to pick-up girls in my entourage. I like my friends and don’t want to lose them, just cause of my horny mood. Leave girls you know to your friends, it will avoid you a lot of problems. You don’t need these girls to get lay.

There are plenty of girls everywhere; you have to do it in front of everybody like in the bus. More there are people around watching, more it demonstrates you have balls and spontaneity. If the bus is empty, it is less effective, than if it’s full of people. I met so many guys giving me excuses like “There is too many people around”. I just say them: Bullshit! This is the best situation to make it effective. Then they argue about they don’t want to look like sluts. If the meeting happens as in a girly movie, they don’t think at all about it. We will speak later about why women in this particular circumstance won’t think about being a slut or not.

This is the same about alcohol and drugs. Personally, I avoid direct-game if I have more than one drink or in night venues like clubs, because women expect you are drunk to have so much confidence in that kind of venues. If you smell alcohol (because of a stupid asshole spilling his drink on your clothes...), then you are drunk “by default”.

We already spoke earlier about honesty. It is obvious than more you are attracted to the girl, more it is effective, simply because you will look like more sincere. The problem you can encounter before mastering this system is that more you are attracted to a girl, less you will be indifferent to her. To sum up, you will have fewer balls with a model than a random girl in holidays in another country. In this case, only experience will help you. Being used to approach women in difficult environment will reduce this drawback.


I would like to talk about the famous 3 second rules . This system does not allow you to hold off, you don’t have to wait. More you are spontaneous and fast, more it will work well. In fact if you wait, it will only demonstrate shyness and that you are reckoning your lines. Spontaneity is an important factor which gives an illusion of a natural meeting. It has to look like natural. Be reactive! Be wild!

Chapter 1 in one sentence:

Have balls: be wild and go!


(1)Persuasion: Theory and Research
by Daniel J. O'Keefe
(2)Jean-Leon Beauvois &Robert-Vincent Joule
(3)Mediterranean people use to have a very small one for example.
(4)Some examples later in this book.
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Chapter 2: Unique (shortened version)


Unique :(adj) highly unusual or rare but not the single instance; radically distinctive and without equal


I love the Internet, I find out the perfect definition for our use of this word.

Women love to feel unique. The best way to make them feel unequalled is to be unique yourself. Your personality, your look, your approach... everything must be unique without becoming too eccentric. The real power of being direct is here. You have to show them this fantasy to increase your chance to get the one you are chatting up.

In fact you are just targeting their ego. Ego is a completely independent part of our personality. Each one of us has a different one, but it works in the same way for everybody: ego is nourished from our outside world. I recommend you to watch Don Juan DeMarco with Johnny Depp. At the beginning of the movie, you will notice how Don Juan masters the art of flattery. In fact, he just makes her understand how unique she is.

Every woman is beautiful in their own manner, and then you just have to tell her how her beauty is unique. Beauty is not only based on a nice ass or big boobs. I will not teach you the art of flattering, because you don’t need all aspect. Just the meaning is important here.

If you read carefully the last chapter, you should approach from an angle. Don’t stay in this angle. When she notices your presence, you have then to deliver your line and open your body language in the same time. At the end of the delivery, you should be in front of your target, arms opened. During the delivery, you can bring your two hands (not the woman’s hands) together against your chest before opening them more. It looks weird to read it like this, probably because very few players are using this posture. It just conveys sincerity. A fair smile is really important too. I don’t want to talk about what is already described in other methods.

Hi! Just one second! I just want to tell you are fucking gorgeous!

Let’s analyze this example of direct opener in 3 parts:

Part 1: Hi! :
Just to get the attention of the woman you want to approach and of course politeness.

Part 2: Just one second! :
Yes in this method too you may need a false time constraint. In fact you should use it to be sure the person will stop. You have to use it especially when the woman is walking. At this precise moment, you have to start to move in front of the woman, not to close of course to don’t get in her bubble. If you are doing this with the wrong BL, the girl will stop walking. You must stop her, don’t speak and walk with her. If you are in front of her, it will be more difficult for her to go away if she is not interested. For that you will need a lot of approaches. I think it is a difficult part to master, and I know you can do it.

Part 3: I just want to tell you are fucking gorgeous!The compliment: it can be a simple one or something more original. The delivery is as important as the content, like in all methods.

Few examples of basic compliments:

When I saw you I have thought I have to speak with you.

I just want to tell you have a beautiful skin, sight, necklace...


Hi! I like people who smiles and you are smiling. That the way I like Ireland and its people.
I just want to tell you are really cute.


Just use your imagination and compliment a detail that nobody else noticed, like her skin for example:
I just want to tell you have a beautiful skin, it looks like very smooth.

Your first sentence shouldn’t be too long, because people loose very quickly their attention.

The art of flattery:

Josh Billings said:

Flattery is like cologne; it must be smelled, not swallowed.

I just want to say few things about it. First one is most of people have a low self-esteem. In fact they are seeking for others validation. It is understandable in a psychological point of view. If flattery works on you, maybe you should think about your self-esteem issues. Lot of people are saying hot girls have high self-esteem. I think it’s wrong; they just have a huge ego as men. This ego is not based in honour or pride. Their ego is just a tank always filled by all compliments and admiration that men give to them (it explains why negs are really useful in MM). A random girl doesn’t have that much attention used as “ego fuel”. This is why in all cases; flattery can make go down their defences. But it is like everything, don’t do too much, or most of girls won’t feel unique and you will seem needy, just trying to hit hot girls (which is kind of true :P).

OMG!!!! It seems, we are almost at the chapter 3, as I removed useless stuffs from chapter 2.

Chapter 2 in one sentence:

Surprise her: be unique!
Chapter 3 + example of FR

Most of drunk guys can be very direct with girls. And sometimes, some AFCs are using direct lines without success. What will make a difference between you and them? Imagine now we only follow the first two chapters, can you imagine the girl reaction?

I observed all kind of reaction, but always the same scheme:

1- An emotional state.
2- A logical one.

Most of the time, the emotional state is linked to what I call the surprise effect. The logical one explains their visible behaviour like when she is bitchy or attracted or ignoring you or whatever.
Player: Hi! Just a minute, I have to go. I just want to tell you I really love your style.
Big smile of the girl
HB: Thanks you. I have a boyfriend.
Girl is leaving.
If you tried direct-game without structure, it is a kind of reaction you already got or could expect. It is known in our community as “Bitch-shield”. I don’t want to explain again why it exist as it has already better done in other books.

When you get good with the art of compliment and opening, you will notice how girls tend to react during emotional state. When I approached a girl following the two last chapters’ hints, her eyes are shining and she is surprised for one second, maybe less. She is completely on. Yes attraction is sparkling. If I stop there, then she become bitchy or whatever. Just try it if you want to understand what I am saying. Better your approaches are, longer this emotional time is.

I think you start to guess what the next step to keep her attracted is: we have to keep this sparkle on or at least stop the logical switch.

How to make her stop thinking and being stronger than social conditioning?

Challenging aka Screening

We have two strong weapons. Before speaking about it, I would like to ask you to do the following exercise.

Get a pen and a piece of paper and make a list of what you are looking for in a woman.

This is an extract of mine:

• Great sense of humour
• Cute: Pink nipples, blonde....
• Sociable
• Self-validated: she doesn’t need other people approval to be confident.
• Elegant, or with a fashion style I like.
• Good cook
• Enough nice to help me to iron my shirt. (I am form south of Europe after all  )
• Cultivate
• …

It is very important, because the first weapon I am using to keep her in an emotional state is to challenge her. Yeah I am screening her. That’s why you need to define what you are looking for.

Most of guys using direct openers are using comfort lines asking basic questions. That is why direct-game seems needy, especially with very beautiful women. I know you are not needy, I know you have standards, we all have standards, even ugly girls won’t sleep with any guys (1). If she doesn’t, why would you? Have you ever been in relationship with any hot woman? After a while, you are getting used to her beauty. Imagine if she was an empty shell and completely addicted to you. Will you be still attracted to her after a while? Not really, you’ll start to look other women. And there are a lot of hot women. Why would you keep her? Beauty is not common, it is ephemeral. Are you not tired to spend 10 hours with a boring girl just to fuck her? Personally I am.

You have to set up your own standards. When women feel you have choice and expectations to them, it’s a great turn on. Doing your screening such early and challenging her, will definitely stop her logical mind. You are pre-selected and she will feel it. You can tell her too, I do it often.
Hi! Just a minute! I just want to tell you are really cute! But I am looking for more qualities in a woman, are you a good cook?
This is my favourite canned opener, and most of the time, if it’s delivered correctly, the girls are like “WTF” and completely confused, they even sometime ask if are filmed or are blushing or whatever… They are not indifferent and cold, like with a basic direct-approach.

Yeah, this shit works! You show your interest right away and don’t give her enough time to think about being a bitch. You show alphaness, balls, that you know what you want and your expectations. It under means, you have choice with women and have high standards. Call it screening if you want to. You are shit-testing her. And guess what, if she is hooked she will shit-test you too which is a good sign (TD).

Humour

« Femme qui rit a moitie dans son lit » French Proverb

It means women laughing, half in your bed. If you ask any woman in the street about qualities they are looking for in a man personality. One of the most common is sense of humour. It is our second weapon as it helps a lot to avoid logical chick bullshiting her head. The thing is women are not stupid, except with a good MM, they know you have sleazy intentions and read your game. They know you attracted to them. It means they will once again be bitchy. Your sense of humour will disarm it. It must be original without being eccentric. I can’t teach you that, but give you some good examples:

To a girl writing a text in the bus or anywhere, even in a club:

Sit close of her and just say: 0-8-5-7-4, no, no, 4.
I NEVER had any bad rejection with this opener.
You can mix with the next one as a first or second line :
Sit or stand close of her and use your palm as a phone to imitate her and say:

I love you, I miss you, and you are the sunshine of my life.

The girl will always giggle! If it is is really that she will introduce you in her set. If she has string musical knowledge, she will speak about Stevie Wonder. If she is fucking ON, she will tell she hasn’t got a boyfriend.

I swear God theses lines are gold dust!

Imagine now if we associate challenging and jokes lines: what will happen?
Hi! Just a minute! I just want to tell you are really cute! But I am looking for more qualities in a woman, are you a good cook? (She hesitates or say no then you have body rocklike you are going to leave) At least could you wash dishes? (Usually she starts to look at you with a weird sight). Cool, then I cook, you wash dishes and we make love! It’s really a good date idea!
Yeah! She is laughing as hell and agrees. In fact, I am not screening her about her cooking skills but simply about her sense of humour. If she does not laugh, it means I won’t have a good time with her. I like girls I can have fun with. If she is not funny, then I don’t care.
If she can cook then I marry her in the street or do similar bullshit!

More coming soon...


A report posted by Phoenix after following this method:
Decided to do my first set since Birmingham.


Was walking to the station and it started to rain, so I ran into a doorway. This hot chick walked past in the rain. She done the same as me so I thought fuck it.

I ran out into the TUNDEROUS rain, and ran under the shelter bit.

Phoenix: hey, didn’t want you being lonely in the storm (cheesy)

HB: not impressed.

Phoenix: ok here is the deal I’m shit scared of thunder and lightning – hold me. (I cuddled her; she laughed and cuddled me back.)

HB: mmm this is nice.

Phoenix: don’t you love a cuddle. You know my biggest fantasy is fucking in the rain. But it has to be hard like this. (Looked her in the eyes) always thought it would be with a really hot woman though (laughed)

HB: aww you got my hopes up.

Phoenix: no I'm being serious lets do it – on that car bonnet.

HB: you wish.

Phoenix: WOW funny and bitchy. Ah well you cuddle well – one out of three aint bad.

HB: can’t remember what she said.

I kept it very sexual then remember saying – so you want to come round mine?

HB: where do you live?

Phoenix: back there beside the school.

HB: I never usually do this kind of thing.

Phoenix: either do I.

HB: let’s go.

We start walking back to mine and I just stopped.

Phoenix: shit

HB: what.

Phoenix: you know what babe I got so caught up in the moment, what am I doing, I'm on the way to meet my girlfriend who loves me and I love her this wouldn’t be right.

HB: oh

Phoenix: sorry I can’t do it to her.

HB: it is ok.

Phoenix: wow that would have been the perfect love story.

HB: I know – (she was looking a little sad)

Phoenix: come on let’s walk to the station.

We got to the station and I said good by, she said don’t you want to know my name, I said “no babe I may end up looking for you one day and that would make it too easy”

She replied with something like – your girlfriend is a lucky girl. I smiled and said so are you then to have met me. Take care.

I remember this interaction so clearly it is unreal. She was around 24 -25 and was a clear 9.5

She was soooo hot it was mad – I just couldn’t do it to Emma, she is so special and I couldn’t hurt her like that.

I thought about ending it, then I thought fuck it Emma is better suited to me.

I never write FRs anymore because I see them as validation seeking.

The reason I'm writing this is to remind myself how much I loved Emma at this point in time. You never know what you will need reminding.

I love my life though. It is great to have the choice of woman.

Thanks again to everyone who helped me get to this stage!!!

Love always

Phoenix.
Then
I have been trying to remember how I escalated this set so fast and how to try and teach this.

I think it was just being so rude. She was shocked out of her boots. I was dressed in my suit with my man bag and a Sainsbury’s carrier bag – so hardly the most threatening of guys.

I just treated her as if she was Emma. I talked to her like she was my sexy slut whom was dying to do the same as me.

Like when I'm with my GF and I think I want to grab her tit – I don’t think, ok I'm only in A3 here I need to get to C3 (I have no idea what a3 and c3 mean but apparently it is attraction and comfort or something) anyway I never think about it I just do it.

So I wanted a cuddle so I took one. She could have reacted really badly, but then why should she I was fucking around. Then I laid it straight on a plate – (thanks Deepvertigo)

Side note: at the conference I listened to much of Deepvertigo’s stuff and I couldn’t really see myself doing it, however out of all the guys I met and all the stuff I heard, his stuff kept annoying me. I just couldn’t see it working then I thought and thought and came to the conclusion, fuck that kind of direct I'm going to go even more direct.

So that is what I done I suppose just thought fuck it.

I just asked her. Like I would with my GF “you want to go and have sex?” she may have said no and I would have said, “babe I'm kidding wow you thought I was serious Jesus I better watch that” some shit like that. IT IS NO BIG DEAL.

Anyway I was stunned all night by this set I just wanted to talk about it all night but couldn’t.

My advice to you all is, just do it. But be nice friendly funny and CONFIDENT.

You flinch or show weakness once and she will win and you won’t get the hole.

Well that’s what I think anyway.


(1) “The Red Queen”, Matt Ridley.
J'ai pas énormément d'idée pour améliorer ton texte ,
peut être 2 :

1) Mettre un exemple c'est bien , mais j'aurais pris un cas des plus classique . Avec un minimum de situationnel à moins que t'as techniques c'est le situationnel :| ( bon je suis pas sur d'avoir tout compris hein ! )

2) En fait c'est ma véritable question , tu parles d'aborder une nana au téléphone si j'étais toi je ferais un rappel à la fin de l'ebook , une section " Les situations atypiques " où tu mets un FR commenté
Je serais très intrigué de savoir comment t'as fait car franchement j'ai DG sur nana au téléphone , la 1 première elle a pris la peine de me mettre un rateau , la deuxième c'était bizare elle m'a juste précisé qu'elle était au téléphone puis m'a ignoré .
Depuis j'ai arreté .
Ce membre a été banni de FTS, en raison de manquements répétés au règlement. Un membre peut être banni automatiquement si sa note descend trop bas (ou trop vite), ou manuellement par un modérateur. Les propos de ce membre n'engagent que lui et ne reflètent pas les opinions des utilisateurs de FTS.
Ok une méthode "directe", c'est bien, mais elle a été testée par d'autres que toi, DeepV ?

(HS : c'est une belle ville Prague ! :wink:)
Champion a écrit :Ok une méthode "directe", c'est bien, mais elle a été testée par d'autres que toi, DeepV ?

(HS : c'est une belle ville Prague ! :wink:)
Regarde les citations du premier post. C'est la methode que j'enseignais a l'epoque ou j'enseignais :)

Overlords> Je l'ai poste en attendant que qq1 le traduise de l'anglais :)
Ce membre a été banni de FTS, en raison de manquements répétés au règlement. Un membre peut être banni automatiquement si sa note descend trop bas (ou trop vite), ou manuellement par un modérateur. Les propos de ce membre n'engagent que lui et ne reflètent pas les opinions des utilisateurs de FTS.
Deepvertigo a écrit :Overlords> Je l'ai poste en attendant que qq1 le traduise de l'anglais :)
T'es une sacrée feignasse ! :lol:
Plop.
Je vais essayer de traduire un chapitre par jour si déjà la traduction de l'intro te plait. En attendant, n'hésite pas à souligner ce que tu veux que je corrige.

:)
Deepvertigo a écrit :Introduction

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Ce post n'est PAS une annonce commerciale.

En fait, j'avais commencé l'écriture d'un livre mais ma méthode ne le remplirait pas et je n'ai pas envie de la diluer avec des conneries pour remplir des pages. Je la livre donc ici gratuitement et j'attends vos commentaires pour l'améliorer. Vous pouvez commencer directement par le premier chapitre. J'espère vraiment que ça vous aidera à améliorer vos compétences.

Tout d'abord, ma présentation et les retours que j'ai eu pour vous montrer que ça marche.
Je suis Deepvertigo, j'ai 26 ans et bien que français, je vis à Dublin.
J'ai commencé comme un pur AFC (randonnée sous la neige pour voir une fille, etc.).

Voici mon histoire :

- Mai 2005 : Etant sans emploi, je quitte ma famille, ma LTR et mes amis pour trouver un travail à Londres avec 1000 euros en poche.
Je me paye une chambre en collocation pendant deux mois. Comme je ne parle pas anglais, je ne trouve pas de boulot et je passe deux mois à ne manger que du riz avec du ketchup. Je mange deux fois avec des sans abris (des gens épatants).
Puis je trouve une place chez MacDonald.

Juillet 2005 : je me fais embaucher dans une boîte de nuit select et je baise le thon qui me sert de coloc, j'étais needy comme c'est pas permis. Impossible de séduire d'autres filles malgré de bonnes occasions.

Septembre 2005 : Je trouve un job dans un centre d'appel à Dublin et quelqu'un me prête de l'argent pour que je puisse m'y rendre.

Janvier 2006 : je trouve un travail vraiment mieux. Je rencontre une fille, on s'embrasse puis une semaine plus tard elle me jette. Motif : "Tu es trop gentil !"

Février 2006 : je découvre la Communauté française

Depuis, j'ai approché près de 1300 filles. Sur les 500 premières : 3 kiss-close et un seul fuck-close. J'ai par la suite considérablement amélioré mon Game.
J'ai appris à combattre AA (NdT : abréviation inconnue) dans la rue puis je me suis spécialisé dans la Mystery Method. Parallèlement à ça, je prends gout au direct-game.

Septembre 2006 : je commence à animer des bootcamp pour la communauté irlandaise et française.

Février 2007 : je rencontre Icedragon lors du dernier bootcamp de la Mystery Method où je suis invité à donner un coup de main à Tenmagnet. C'est très sympa et je commence à avoir de solides compétences en direct-game.

Puis je crée ma propre méthode de direct game.

Avril 2007 : je suis invité par Icedragon au super séminaire du Lair écossais.

Mai 2007 : je rencontre BG originaire des Pays Bas.

Juin 2007 : je suis invité au sommet Euro où je ne vais pas, ne pouvant me payer le billet d'avion, mais je me rends Super Séminaire de Birmingham où je rencontre Craze, Gem, Harlequin, Magus ...

Pour une fois, le happy end est envisageable mais je me fixe toujours de nouveaux objectifs comme travailler sur une méthode de direct-game appliquée aux hired-guns. (NdT : expression inconnue)

Maintenant je suis super content d'en être arrivé là !!!
On s'est divisés en petits groupes, chacun mené par un PUA. J'ai eu assez de chance pour me retrouver dans le groupe de l'incroyable Deepvertigo qui fit passer le direct-game pour un jeu aussi simple que de voler un bonbon à un enfant ! Il nous a tous lancé dans des sets, armés d'une approche simple, claire et efficace : opener direct, suivi par du fluff, puis la mettre au défi et la qualifier. Certains mecs ont eu l'air d'avoir des retours positifs immédiats mais moi, j'ai un peu lutté. Cela dit c'était enrichissant de voir le maître en action.

Z, Birmingham
Clairement, la raison principale de mon inscription à ce séminaire : pour me mettre au game de jour. Deepvertigo était époustouflant. Putain, je l'adore, c'est une légende. Il m'a beaucoup appris. Ça me plairait de passer le voir et de continuer de bosser ça avec lui.

Mo, Leeds
(...) Mais je ne dépenserai plus jamais d'argent pour un séminaire. La seule exception étant Deepvertigo ... clairement, je payerais bien pour une autre sortie avec lui, même si ce n'est que pour m'aider avec la calibration puisqu'avoir des commentaires sur le terrain est le meilleur moyen d'apprendre.

R, Erdington
Ce livre n'est pas le manuel ultime de la séduction. J'y ai mis toutes mes connaissances et ce qui a marché pour moi. Pour y parvenir, j'ai passé des milliers d'heures à lire, à socialiser et j'ai eu la chance de rencontrer un tas de gens incroyable grâce à ça.
Je n'aurais jamais cru en entrant dans la communauté que je finirais par écrire mon propre livre.
Il semble que mes élèves aient des résultats fantastiques avec cette méthode. J'imagine que certaines personnes ne l'aimeront pas. J'ai vraiment envie d'insister sur certains points qui, je le crois, seront à répéter plusieurs fois pour qu'ils imprègnent bien vos esprits. Le début va peut-être vous surprendre mais s'il vous plait, lisez cette méthode en entier pour la comprendre dans sa globalité.
En espérant que ça vous aide.

Sincèrement,

Deepvertigo
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