RSD "transformation"

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le 17.09.2007 par nestajames77

4 réponses / Dernière par Z le 25.09.2007, 01h26

Pour celles et ceux qui veulent discuter et demander des conseils rencontres et séduction; comment faire avec cette fille ou ce mec; et plus généralement, comment pécho / trouver l'amour à l'ère du swipe left, notamment quand on est ni mannequin, ni un ninja de la drague.
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Attention génie à l'état pur: la série de 12 DVD sortis il à peu par l'équipe RSD est de l'or en barre, après un Blueprint moyen sorti par tyler, ces DVD reposent de nouvelles bases solides dont tout player pourra bénéficier.
S'adressant un peu plus au gens qui ont déja un peu de field dans les pattes que la pluspart des DVD un peu comerciaux qui foisonnent sur le marché de la séduction il remet un peu les choses en place (un peu comme le post de tyler sur la méthode gunwitch http://www.scribd.com/doc/3663/Gunwitch ... tch-method)

Dès le début le ton est donné avec un Tim en grande forme qui définit bien la transformation d'un "chode" en player qui close, grace à son exemple personnel. Deux DVD bien "libérants", outre les apréciations techniques, j'en retiens sa règle numero un "Je m'en fout de ce que les gens pensent de moi", il "patterne un peu le "client" lors de ses story tellings (hein Auto :D le "golden elevator") mais ça refout un bon coup de MOJO...BE THE PARTY...

Les deux DVD suivants sont dédiés au phénomène espagnol OZZIE qui touchera beaucoup de players qui travaillent dur sur le field mais qui ont peu de lay..."Closer mentality" et l'explication de "THE CLAW" un concept qui est deja devenu cher aux membres de mon lair qui y ont été confrontés :D .
End Game et closing sont les mots d'ordre, un "Run the train!!!!"Déja anthologique pour moi; à voir absolument.2 DVD qui remettent les choses en place assez durement, et un style génial (ce mec doit faire des storytelling qui déchirent...) La citation qui tue c'est "LOOK at these guys who go home with girl at the end of the night, they have no "GAME""...

Les DVD 5 et 6 sont consacrés à un player que j'aprécies de plus en plus Jeff aka Jlaix.Ce que j'en retiens c'est "assume attraction as soon as you enter it's ON!!!" et "I wanna bang the world,penetrate the shit with my being,fuck the world and make it come repeatatly!!!!"

Le reste est aussi très intéressant mais plus classique, le tout vaut vraiment le coup d'étre trouvé
ça ressemble vraiment plus à du "mode one" ou du gunwitch évolué qu'à de la MM...
Si vous avez aimé les DVD je vous recommande outre "MODE ONE" (cher à mon wing Flamingo), des players comme "THE DEAN";"PLAYER SUPREME";"TARIQ NASHEED";"GARY BRODSKY"
En conclusion je dirais dont overcomplicate the game...
J'aimerais connaitre le point de vue des "FTSiens" sur cette vision du game qui est parfois assez éloigné de ce que je lis sur les forums francophones...mais qui peut s'allier à tout "outergame" "mainstream".
Voila une description du produit par Tim aka the chariot of seduction, ça résume assez bien le tout...Je ne traduis pas vu qu'il faut tout de même maitriser l'anglais pour mater les DVDs


Okay, Tyler over at RSD just posted this on their Forum (he posted this on July 3 2007, so this should be the correct and latest word on RSD's upcoming DVD/CD product: Transformations):

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It's coming late July or August depending on when the discs are finished being pressed. I'm expecting it's going to go for the same as Foundations (369/269 DVD/CD) and it will be 12 discs instead of 8, however I can't promise on price as the final production costs haven't been tallied up yet.

I'm working like a dog preparing the marketing/promotion for it lately. It'll be here soon.


Tyler

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Tyler posted this in response to a question from another Forum member on when and how much $$$.

So, it looks like we're talking about $369 for DVD's and $269 for CD's. 12 this time, instead of the 8 Discs which we saw in Foundations.

Tim (an RSD Instructor) recently posted his impressions of Transformations, and what can be expected. He posted this:

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TRANSFORMATIONS SEMINAR RSD:


Inner Game (first 30 mins)

You MUST NOT GIVE A FUCK about anyone else in the club or what they think

You must build up your energy in the club before you do anything else.

Imagine the “lord stance” standing up with arms outstretched to either side commanding your space to get into state

Everything is a lot more cool than it really is and EVERYTHING IS COOL. Even that cigarette but on the floor is the coolest fucking butt you have ever seen, look at the lipstick marks on it etc etc. You MUST ACT IN A POSITIVE STATE to everything. Do not go the way of the dark side and see negativity in anything. Create your own party with your wing, start talking about shit and how cool it is, get into state together and just vibe with each other. It doesn’t matter what its about eg I fucking love lizards, they are so cool, just lazing out in the sun, relaxing, (turn to girl) – hey, what do you think about lizards – they are fucking cool aren’t they… etc etc. It’s a getting into state thing, its about being totally confident and totally cool and dominant.

Girls are 5 year old kids until they prove otherwise. You are not to give a fuck about whatever ANY GIRL THINKS. She is a child, play with her and toy with her but don’t care what she thinks EVER! ["For a person of high status, they view the entire world the same way you would think of the ten year old." Credit: Jlaix aka Jeffy]

The Rosetta Stone (3 stones)

The RSD guys have this idea of a rosetta stone and 3 key parts to having the complete stone which you need for successful pickup…

1st Key to the stone is the 3 levels of rapport.

Ok this is kind of hard to put into words but i'll try for you boys…

Level 1 – trying to get rapport. Basically this is what most chodes (AFC’s in RSD language) do. There voice intonation rises at the end of their question. Whats your name? would be said with a rise in voice, would be submissive in body language and would be seen to be try hard!!

Level 2 – Neutral rapport – Your voice intonation is level at all times. Its matter of fact. Its how you would introduce yourself to a new work colleague. Its neutral. Its confident. Its strong.

Level 3 – Breaking rapport – is where you are a bit aggressive. “whats your name” would be like how a teacher or a bouncer would ask your name. Its an aggressor way. Your body language is very strong to the point of over powering. You definitely do not give a fuck when you are using this level of rapport. ["Many students I work with are plagued
by this, they are afraid to be perceived as "rude".
What they don't realize is, in many situations, breaking rapport is
in fact the correct course of action, for example when someone tries
to tool you, or in the initial stages of the pick-up, to build
attraction.
But these guys are so paralyzed by the idea that they might be
thought of as rude, that they fail to act and watch the house of
cards come tumbling down.
Don't be a doormat. Stand up and be counted; break rapport when
it's necessary." -Jlaix aka Jeffy]

Basically you must always be neutral to breaking in your rapport/body language. You don’t give a fuck. You are coming from a strong/powerful frame. You are commanding respect. You expect her to answer no matter how shit the question. U are presenting value right from the start. The further you go into breaking the more you put the girl on the back foot. You need to calibrate the level you

2nd Key to the stone the type of person you are

There are 4 levels of dude…

Level 1 (Chode) – this is the bottom guy. He is fully predictable. Mr Nice guy. He will call next day and try to get her to dinner, several dates on he will try and kiss her etc etc. The moment he says “hi, can I buy you a drink” she knows exactly how her life with this guy is going to be mapped out. His chat is boring, he uses weak body language and lifts his voice at the end of the

Level 2 (Mr Bearable) – This is Mr average. She is like “ok, ho humm, she bears him, maybe she is winging her mate who has the hot one, whatever. This guy is still too predictable but may have some things going for him that gets him laid once in a while. This is where most of us probably were before we found the community.

Level 3 (Interesting, intriguing, entertaining guy) – This guy is where almost everyone in the community is. They get good results, can open sets and keep people interested, talk about interesting unusual things, can spike interest and can probably close a reasonable chunk of girls to “day 2s”. The problem with this level is that when the material runs out and he stops being so entertaining she loses some of her interest. Depending on how quick he has been to close her this may or may not lead to LJBF before the lay.

Level 4 (fuck worthy guy). This guy does not give a fuck about anything. Everything he does is effortless. He can get away with pretty much everything. He is strong, confident and doesn’t seem to follow any specific “game plan”. Girls are thinking “im gonna fuck this guy… I need to close him”. They are like “what the fuck” when he moves away or pays interest elsewhere. He is totally Unpredictable and seems to bounce around all over the place. He involves her in the conversation A LOT… it is not him presenting material although he is totally dominant in guiding the interaction (see later example).

The only think that seperates these levels is PREDICTABILITY. If you are talking about random stuff in your life and bouncing around and “vibing” you are being the life and soul of the party. Do not try and join her party, bring her into your world. If she starts telling you boring shit cut it off and move it back into interesting stuff about you. This is not you talking not stop, you MUST INVOLVE HER A LOT, its just you are involving her in your life and not trying to build rapport around stuff she likes.

The fuck worthy guy is like this when he gets into a club. Its like he is the Terminator and has the Terminator screen in front of him. All you are thinking about is “GIRL, HOT GIRL, GET HOT GIRL” as you scan the room and then move in. You DO NOT THINK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Not your openers, what the room is like, ANYTHING. If you have been vibing with your wing this is easy anyway as you can just spark off into whatever. The only think you should be watching her for is HER ENERGY LEVELS. Your sole aim is to spark her energy levels… to create a spike in her energy… like a spike on a heart monitor on your “terminator screen”. To do this you just pound LEFT FIELD questions at her.

3rd Key to the stone – Conversation (Plot lines)

Ok this is where the guys have really been doing some work on how to VERY VERY QUICKLY SPARK attraction to allow closes within 10-15 minutes. Its based around vibing but the good news is that there is a structure that they use. They call it “you are my new…..”

The instructor then gave an example of a classic type pick up in a club that we would do… with an opinion opener followed by “how do you all know each other” and then attempt to move into a story blah blah. He did this well (as you would expect) and used very strong neutral to breaking rapport body language but you could still feel that it just wasn’t as good as it could be.

He then showed a “fuck worthy guy” pick up… (I didn’t take full notes but ill try to recreate it)

Hey, (uses a grab see later in this article), I’m Tim (shakes hand). You look kinda cute… for the next 5 minutes (time constraint) you and me, we can be boyfriend and girlfriend. How would you hold my hand… (she holds his hand – kino). Tim says “nice… good strong grip… and then starts swinging his arm forward and backwards. He is relaxed and in control and not in a hurry. He looks at her and smiles. “so where are we going on holiday?” she answers with something and he replies “nah, fuck that, lets go to Barcelona. Have you ever been to Barcelona its totally cool” she answers X and he says “so what shall we do there” and a couple more questions. Then he creates a reason for them to split up and does the “break up”, followed by a couple more questions about how bad she was and then he allows her to try and get back together again with make up sex type stuff and bits of cocky funny stuff along the way. He uses big hugs on her. He then says that he has something bad to tell her. That he cheated on her with her best friend and then goes on to tell a story about going camping with her best friend, and how she went to have a swim in this lake, and she went in skinny dipping and he followed in to wash but then this shark comes along and he had to wrestle the shark and rescue her best friend who then just started making out with him on the edge of the lake and one thing just led to another.

He then says “only kidding” and gives her a big hug. “you don’t have to worry” and carries on the interaction. This is about 10 minutes in now im guessing (I’ve shortened it a bit).

Basically this type of strategy is similar to the Tyler “pebbles” ideas its all about sparking her imagination. Its involving her in the interaction. It allows you to include all techniques like cockyfunny/future projection/kino/statements of intent/pushpull etc etc. Cause its play acting it also lowers her defences to play along. It builds attraction FAST. Its interesting and its fun.

This plot lines idea can be extended to other types of stuff…. Such as…. You are my new….. Girlfriend, bodyguard, personal assistant, superhero, personal shopper, student, secret agent, etc etc. Think of the plot line and then vibe off that wherever it leads. Its like good impro.. Make it fun, play around with wherever it goes, don’t block, vibe with her, be playful and use a lot of push/pull.

You can also use “we are getting married” “we are doing X” “we are X” as further plot line starts.

Keys are YOU MUST BE DOMINANT,

You must be looking to spark and spike her.

Remember we are doing all this shit so that we are entertaining OURSELVES… not her. We don’t give a FUCK about her.

Generate some party every time no matter what. You are the coolest guy on the planet.

Note – you must build in kino escalation (also compliance) as part of these plot lines


3 KINO TOOLS: 1. The magical tap of desire 2. The claw of destiny 3. The snatch and grab of glory.

The guys showed 3 kino things they do in the field to be dominant and fuck worthy guys. These are often used to get attention at the start of the interaction rather than as traditional “kino” type moves you have been taught in the past (which are all still relevant btw)

Kino 1 – The magical tap of desire. This move is best described as follows… assume she is at the bar with her back to you. Take your peter pointer and middle finger in a two finger together movement and firmly tap her on her shoulder. Use “hey” as well to get her attention. Then say something….

Kino 2 – The claw of destiny. Take your hand and curl it up as if you were holding a hand sized ball. Now imagine that “claw” with fingers pointing down. Now the move with the claw is to lock in on her shoulder with it as you put your arm round her. Or around two girls for a group hug. Once the claw is on though its firmly in place. There is a song that goes with the claw which you can sing in your head “THE CLAW ALWAYS WINS, THE CLAW ALWAYS WINS, HAVE NO FEAR, JUST CLAW THEM IN” The Claw is not something you DO, it's something you ARE.

As part of an example of using the claw he showed a reinteraction with a girl… and used the following line which was quite good “I will pursue you harder than any guy on this planet… so play nicely” and then when she started to play he withdrew and said she was boring.

Kino 3 – The snatch and grab of glory. Imagine you are talking to a wing or a girl and a really hot target comes walking past. Reach out and grab her arm above the wrist firmly and say “hey” to get her attention. This will stop her in her tracks. Note you have not turned towards her, your body language is pointing to your wing/original girlie. The grab is a firm grasp, its firm but not OTT.

Note – you must have 100 PERCENT conviction that these will work to pull them off. Anything below this and she will sense it and you will look needy or worse.
[There are a few other concepts in RSD lingo with these sorts of funny names: Total Eclipse of the Chode (Where you just go up and eclipse the "chode orbital" so he disappears, sometimes literally runs out of the club!) and The Venus Trap of Desire: "Go out, and post up somewhere there is high traffic (if you are with a wing, you guys should be laughing and high fiving not just staring around looking like chodes)... this is called 'The venus fly trap of desire'. As girls walk by you GRAB them FIRMLY on the wrist and PULL THEM IN (With a big smile)... girls like this as it asserts you are a dominant guy from the start" -RSD instructor Tim ]

Closing comments
Being in the field is a celebration of you. Its your core on show.

Girls are just as insecure and AFC as guys.

It’s a given that you and her are gonna fuck. You are a fuck worthy guy now.

Interestingly RSD are not fans of running lots of sets. The instructors when they are out are usually doing 1 or 2 sets and that is it. They get in there, build a spark, isolate and get the close. Running loads of sets and getting loads of numbers is fools mate (they call this getting wood)

You can also fake buying temperature for her my pretending you are feeling what she is feeling… “im feeling that funny feeling inside my tummy, you are making me feel like kissing you, you are driving me crazy, What is so different about you I feel funny?” etc etc

When you get to kiss close you MUST NOT be the make out guy in the corner for hours. These guys look like they are getting lucky but MOST DON’T. The ones that get lots of lays are the ghosts you don’t see snogging away. They have isolated and extracted to sex location without getting the girl validated too much (by over snogging in the venue). “make and break” first. Be the one to start snogging and stop snogging.

As a final point how would you rate your own game at the moment. The only answer to this is “it’s a fucking TEN”. If everything you do you think it’s a ten then it will be a ten (even if it isn’t) and you need this attitude to be completely congruent with whatever you are saying.
On m'a dit du bien de cette "methode". Tu l'appliques?
Dans la "communauté" anglophone ce RSD à fait pas mal de bruit, vu qu'il est sorti très récemment les échos commencent juste à parvenir, en fait de méthode c'est plutôt un mindset, qu'un skillset: il y a d'ailleurs des discutions très intéressante à ce sujet sur le site de RSD.Et j'essaye d'appliquer autant que possible les bon conseils qui y sont prodigués.

Beaucoup de gens ont critiqué ce "transformations" pour une certaine légerté, en effet sur douze DVD il y a 2 ou 3 heures pas plus de "matériel".Rien de très structuré ni de "routines magiques", donc çà ne servirait pas à grand chose pour quelqu'un qui démarre de zéro.Mais pour des gens qui ont du field derrière eux, ou des gens qui n'ont pas peur de se retrouver seul avec une femme, ça aide et motives très bien.

Pareil pour ceux qui stagnent un peu, ont des interaction, sont à l'aise mais n'ont pas assez de lay, ce transformations peut venir remettre des choses en place: par exemple un type qui attends les IOI avec dévotion comme mystery lui a dit, qui n'as pas essayé de close et se dit "c'est mon A3 qui n'était pas au point" etc...En bref pour des PLAYERS trop techniques,trop timides, pas assez chacal (nice guy player qui content de son game à peur de tout faire foirer avec sa cible alors qu'il est en C2, ne tente pas le close, passe pour un con face à sa cible qui n'attends que de se faire serrer et rentre bite sous le bras relire pour la énième fois son workbook venusian arts...)

Je n'ai vu les DVD que depuis peu et ne suis dans la communauté et dans un lair que depuis avril donc me donner en exemple serait prétentieux, mieux vaut parcourir les forums anglophones où pas mal de gens sont déja en pleine "transformation"!!!Mais je claw déja un peu et ait taté du résultat, je peut dire que the claw laisses une forte impression, c'est un gros DOH et une bonne façon de générer de l'attract (perso je pense que toucher chauffe plus façilement que blablater sur ses voyages où on était avec une stripteaseuse en ferrari dans le colorado) après faut quand même assurer et pas passer pour un gros blaireau :lol:...

Un style bien adapté aux clubs et pubs bien remplis et bien remuants...Mon WUpA Automatic grand adepte de la MM y à decelé plein de pattern à l'attention du "client" mais a quand même beaucoup apprécié...Pour conclure je dirais que c'est pas pour les puceaux (et encore...) mais qui bénéficiera à tout mec qui connait le field et tout player se reconnaitra souvent dans les propos qui y sont tenus.

Pour moi c'est de la bombe!!!
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J’ai visionné les DVD en question et ils tombent à pic, puisqu’ils portent notamment sur l’inner game et le close. Si vous ne pouvez pas lire cet article ni visionner les DVD, voici quelques elements importants dont je me souviens en vrac:

.croire à 100% en son game, se visualiser tel le PUA qu’on sera un jour

.en avoir rien à foutre du resultat du PU, ni de ce que pensent les autres

.etre imprevisible, sexué, dans le moment present, prendre des risques

.presupposer l’attraction, s’imposer en leader, imposer sa frame, closer

.ne pas tenir compte des doutes et hesitations, se forcer à escalader et closer

.l’action donne le mojo, donc agir, kino, persistance

.créer emotions, apprecier le procesus independament du resultat

.ne pas trop parler, si vous sentez le besoin de trop parler et qu’en 20minutes il n’y a pas de rapprochement et de tension, c’est qu’il y a un probleme
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