[Film] Roger Dodger
J'ai bien aimé perso, la dynamique, les situations, l'idée générale... Après y a un certain filtrage à conserver vis à vis de ça.
Ce n'est pas une video de Mystery, le but du film n'est pas de vous apprendre le PU...Trend a écrit :J'ai trouvé ce film vraiment nul, on apprend pas grand chose concernant le PU.
Mais parcontre il m'a permis de numcloser hier
M: je vais prendre ton numéro
E: noon
M: mais si, pour la symétrie au moin (MisterZ avait numcloser sa copine juste avant)
E: Oki pour la symétrie je te le donne
Ce membre a été banni de FTS, en raison de manquements répétés au règlement. Un membre peut être banni automatiquement si sa note descend trop bas (ou trop vite), ou manuellement par un modérateur. Les propos de ce membre n'engagent que lui et ne reflètent pas les opinions des utilisateurs de FTS.
Si j'ai dis qu'on apprenait rien concernant la drague c'est parceque d'autre sur ce tread on dit le contraire.Blusher a écrit :Ce n'est pas une video de Mystery, le but du film n'est pas de vous apprendre le PU...Trend a écrit :J'ai trouvé ce film vraiment nul, on apprend pas grand chose concernant le PU.
Mais parcontre il m'a permis de numcloser hier
M: je vais prendre ton numéro
E: noon
M: mais si, pour la symétrie au moin (MisterZ avait numcloser sa copine juste avant)
E: Oki pour la symétrie je te le donne
c'est sur que ce n'est pas dans un film qu'on apprendra la drague mais un film (traitant du sujet d'une maniere intéressante) peu remotiver, redonner le mojo, donner des idées etc.
cela reste du cinéma, ne confondez pas tout...
cheers
cela reste du cinéma, ne confondez pas tout...
cheers
Ce membre a été banni de FTS, en raison de manquements répétés au règlement. Un membre peut être banni automatiquement si sa note descend trop bas (ou trop vite), ou manuellement par un modérateur. Les propos de ce membre n'engagent que lui et ne reflètent pas les opinions des utilisateurs de FTS.
Oui c'est d'ailleurs dans ce but que j'ai regarder ce film, pour trouver un opener, une pick up line intéressente, une réplique amusante. Mais rien de vraiment intéressent.cedd a écrit :c'est sur que ce n'est pas dans un film qu'on apprendra la drague mais un film (traitant du sujet d'une maniere intéressante) peu remotiver, redonner le mojo, donner des idées etc.
cela reste du cinéma, ne confondez pas tout...
cheers
Comme d'habitude, a vous perdre dans le detail vous passez a cote du principal. L'etat d'esprit du plaer blase et pourtant soucieux de partager son savoir.Trend a écrit :Oui c'est d'ailleurs dans ce but que j'ai regarder ce film, pour trouver un opener, une pick up line intéressente, une réplique amusante. Mais rien de vraiment intéressent.cedd a écrit :c'est sur que ce n'est pas dans un film qu'on apprendra la drague mais un film (traitant du sujet d'une maniere intéressante) peu remotiver, redonner le mojo, donner des idées etc.
cela reste du cinéma, ne confondez pas tout...
cheers
Pour ceux qui n'ont pas ce film : ebay, ça peut marcher.
"- Viens, on va voir les filles là-bas... Bonjour, regardez ce mec, il va vous dire quelque chose de très intéressant. A toi."
Impro en délire totale.
Ca aurait pu finir en Fclose si j'avais voulu, mais ça n'était que des B5.
Sinon, ce film est tellement criant de vérité que ça a bien l'air d'une histoire vraie (mais je n'ai rien trouvé dans ce sens sur internet). Ca expliquerait que les dialogues semblent bidon, mais la trame générale de l'histoire semble plausible. Si c'est le point de vue du neveu, il a retenu les moments forts et les phrases fortes, mais pas les détails des conversations.
Ceux qui cherchent des pick-up lines seront donc déçus !
Le neveu AFC loupe deux occasions servies sur un plateau, il foire plusieurs fois le set, mais Roger lui rattrape le coup à chaque fois : c'est du grand art.
On me l'a déjà fait en boîte:Trend a écrit :Oui c'est d'ailleurs dans ce but que j'ai regardé ce film, pour trouver un opener, une pick up line intéressante, une réplique amusante. Mais rien de vraiment intéressant.
"- Viens, on va voir les filles là-bas... Bonjour, regardez ce mec, il va vous dire quelque chose de très intéressant. A toi."
Impro en délire totale.
Ca aurait pu finir en Fclose si j'avais voulu, mais ça n'était que des B5.
Sinon, ce film est tellement criant de vérité que ça a bien l'air d'une histoire vraie (mais je n'ai rien trouvé dans ce sens sur internet). Ca expliquerait que les dialogues semblent bidon, mais la trame générale de l'histoire semble plausible. Si c'est le point de vue du neveu, il a retenu les moments forts et les phrases fortes, mais pas les détails des conversations.
Ceux qui cherchent des pick-up lines seront donc déçus !
Le neveu AFC loupe deux occasions servies sur un plateau, il foire plusieurs fois le set, mais Roger lui rattrape le coup à chaque fois : c'est du grand art.
Roger a écrit :You drink that drink! Alcohol has been a social lubricant for thousands of years. What do you think, you're going to sit here tonight and reinvent the wheel?
Roger en parlant de son métier de publiciste a écrit : Roger: You can't sell a product without first making people feel bad.
Nick: Why not?
Roger: Because it's a substitution game. You have to remind them that they're missing something from their lives. Everyone's missing something, right?
Nick: I guess.
Roger: Trust me. And when they're feeling sufficiently incomplete, you convince them your product is the only thing that can fill the void. So instead of taking steps to deal with their lives, instead of working to root out the real reason for their misery, they go out and buy a stupid looking pair of cargo pants.
Roger a écrit :I gotta get home, look for work. As we speak, consumers everywhere need reminding of just how fat and unattractive they are.
Roger Dodger, c'est un peu, beaucoup, le Beigbeder americain.Roger: You can't sell a product without first making people feel bad.
Nick: Why not?
Roger: Because it's a substitution game. You have to remind them that they're missing something from their lives. Everyone's missing something, right?
Nick: I guess.
Roger: Trust me. And when they're feeling sufficiently incomplete, you convince them your product is the only thing that can fill the void. So instead of taking steps to deal with their lives, instead of working to root out the real reason for their misery, they go out and buy a stupid looking pair of cargo pants.
Roger a écrit:
I gotta get home, look for work. As we speak, consumers everywhere need reminding of just how fat and unattractive they are.
Bon film.
J'ai bien aimé le passage cité un peu en haut "can't sell a product without first making people feel bad. "
On connaît désormais l'origine de la routine atour du clitoris n'ayant d'utilité que le plaisir féminin. (pour ceux qui connaissent)
Au niveau du game évidemment tout n'est pas bon, mais ça n'enlève rien au charme du film.
Ca reste interessant comment dans les films de PUAs on voit certaines caractéristiques d'un bon player mais pas toutes:
Rodger Dodger: Répartie, negg, sexualisation
Swingers: C&F et story telling
Tao of Steve: Cool, absence de neediness, patience
J'ai bien aimé le passage cité un peu en haut "can't sell a product without first making people feel bad. "
On connaît désormais l'origine de la routine atour du clitoris n'ayant d'utilité que le plaisir féminin. (pour ceux qui connaissent)
Au niveau du game évidemment tout n'est pas bon, mais ça n'enlève rien au charme du film.
Ca reste interessant comment dans les films de PUAs on voit certaines caractéristiques d'un bon player mais pas toutes:
Rodger Dodger: Répartie, negg, sexualisation
Swingers: C&F et story telling
Tao of Steve: Cool, absence de neediness, patience
On a abordé sur cet antique Thread concernant un autre film, plus léger et rigolo, mais pas forcément mal vu
Serial Noceurs (Wedding Crashers)
Je viens de tomber sur le Net sur la liste des fameux 'commandements' que suivent les héros de l'histoire
Je me demande si ça ne nous rappellerai pas quelque chose...
Rule #1: Never leave a fellow Crasher behind. Crashers take care of their own.
Rule #2: Never use your real name.
Rule #3: When crashing an Indian wedding, identify yourself as a well-known immigrant officer or a county lawyer.
Rule #4: No one goes home alone.
Rule #5: Never let a girl come between you and a fellow crasher.
Rule #6: Do not sit in the corner and sulk. It draws attention in a negative way. Draw attention to yourself, but on your own terms.
Rule #7: Blend in by standing out.
Rule #8: Be the life of the party.
Rule #9: Whatever it takes to get in, get in.
Rule #10: Invitations are for pussies.
Rule #11: Sensitive is good.
Rule #12: When it stops being fun, break something.
Rule #13: Bridesmaids are desperate: console them.
Rule #14: You're a distant relative of a dead cousin.
Rule #15: Fight the urge to tell the truth.
Rule #16: Always have an up-to-date family tree.
Rule #17: Every female wedding guest deserves a wedding night.
Rule #18: You love animals and children.
Rule #19: Toast in the native language if you know the native language and have practiced the toast. Do not wing it.
Rule #20: The older the better, the younger the better (see Rule below)
Rule #21: Definitely make sure she's 18.
Rule #22: You have a wedding and a reception to seal the deal. Period. No overtime.
Rule #23: There's nothing wrong with having seconds. Provided there's enough women to go around.
Rule #24: If you get outed, leave calmly. Do not run.
Rule #25: You understand she heard that but that's not what you meant.
Rule #26: Of course you love her.
Rule #27: Don't over drink. The machinery must work in order to close.
Rule #28: Make sure there's an open bar.
Rule #29: Always be a team player. Everyone needs a little help now and again.
Rule #30: Know the playbook so you can call an audible.
Rule #31: If you call an audible, always make sure your fellow Crashers know.
Rule #32: Don't commit to a relative unless you're absolutely sure that they have a pulse.
Rule #33: Never go back to your place.
Rule #34: Be gone by sunrise.
Rule #35: Breakfast is for closers.
Rule #36: Your favorite movie is "The English Patient".
Rule #37: At the reception, one hard drink or two beers max. A drunk crasher is a sloppy crasher.
Rule #38: Girls in hats tend to be proper and rarely give it up.
Rule #39: The way to a woman's bed is through the dance floor.
Rule #40: Dance with old folks and the kids. The girls will think you're "sweet."
Rule #41: Never hit on the bride -- it's a one way ticket to the pavement
Rule #42: Try not to break anything, unless you're not having fun.
Rule #43: At the service, sit in the fifth row. It's close enough to wedding party to seem like you're an invited guest. Never sit in the back. The back row just smells like crashing.
Rule #44: Create an air of mystery that involves some painful experience when interacting with the girl you're after. But don't talk about it.
Rule #45: Always remember your fake name! Rehearse it in advance and make sure you know your fellow Crasher's code-name as well!
Rule #46: The Rules of Wedding Crashing are sacred. Don't sully them by "improvising."
Rule #47: You forgot your invitation in your rush to get to the church.
Rule #48: Make sure all the single women at the wedding know you're there because you've just suffered either a terrible breakup or the death of your fiancée.
Rule #49: Always work into the conversation: "Yeah, I have tons of money. But how does one buy happiness?"
Rule #50: Be pensive! It draws out the "healer" in women.
Rule #51: Always pull out in time.
Rule #52: Tell any woman you're interested in that you'd love to stay put but you promised to help out at the homeless shelter today.
Rule #53: It's time to put your Drama Lessons in practice! Get choked up during the service. The girls will think you're "sensitive". Bring a slice of onion or artificial tears if necessary.
Rule #54: Avoid virgins. They're too clingy.
Rule #55: If pressed, tell people you're related to Uncle John. Everyone has an Uncle John.
Rule #56: Don't fixate on one woman. ALWAYS have a back-up.
Rule #57: When seeing a rival Crasher, do not interact: merely acknowledge each other with a tug on the earlobe and gracefully move on.
Rule #58: The Ferrari's in the shop.
Rule #59: If two rival crashers pick the same girl, the crasher with the least seniority will respectfully yield.
Rule #60: No "chicken dancing": no exceptions.
Rule #61: When crashing out of state, request permission from the local Wedding Crasher chapter.
Rule #62: No more than two weddings a weekend. More and your game gets sloppy. You'll also attract unwanted notice.
Rule #63: Bring an extra umbrella when it rains. Courtesy opens more legs than charm.
Rule #64: Always save room for cake.
Rule #65: When your crash partner fails, you fail. No man is an island.
Rule #66: Smile! You're having the time of your life.
Rule #67: Mix it up a little. You can't always be the man with the haunted past.
Rule #68: Dance with the Bride's grandmother.
Rule #69: No sex on the altar. Confessionals, okay. Chair lofts, better.
Rule #70: Two shutouts in a row? It's time to take a week off. Ask yourself: what is it that is getting in the way of my happiness?
Rule #71: Research, research, research the wedding party. And when you are done researching, research some more.
Rule #72: Studies have shown that women have a more developed sense of smell. Breath mints: small cost, big yield.
Rule #73: Keep interactions with the parents of the bride and groom to a minimum.
Rule #74: In case of emergency, refer to the rulebook.
Rule #75:Girls in hats tend to be proper and rarely give it up.
Rule #76: No excuses. Play like a champion.
Rule #77: Carry extra protection at ALL times.
Rule #78: The unmarried female rabbi: is she fair game? Of course she is.
Rule #79: The tables furthest from the kitchen always get served first.
Rule #80: Stop, look, listen. At weddings. In life.
Rule #81: Occasionally bring a gift: you're getting sex without having to buy dinner, so you can afford a blender.
Rule #82: Always think ahead but always stay in the moment. Reconcile this paradox and you'll not only get the girl, you might also get peace of mind.
Rule #83: Don't let the ring bearer bum your smokes. His parents may start to ask questions.
Rule #84: Stay clear of the wedding planner. They may recognize you and start to wonder.
Rule #85: Don't use the "I have two months to live" bit: not cool, not effective.
Rule #86: Shoes say a lot about the man.
Rule #87: Always choose large weddings. More choice. Easier to blend.
Rule #88: You're from out of town. ALWAYS.
Rule #89: Know something about the place you say you are from, whether be from another US state or another country. Texas is too-played out. For some reason, England, Germany or even New Hampshire seem to work. Master the accents convincingly, and you've nailed them!
Rule #90: Of course you dream of one day having children.
Rule #91: Never dance to "What I Like About You." It's long past time to let that song go. Someone will request it at every wedding. Don't dance to it. No matter how hot the girl.
Rule #92: Tell the bride's friends and family that you are family of the groom and visa-versa.
Rule #93: Only take one car. You never know when you'll need to make a fast escape.
Rule #94: Deep down, most people hate themselves. This knowledge is the key to most bedroom doors.
Rule #95: Try not to show off on the dance floor. This means you Jeremy.
Rule #96: Etiquette isn't old-fashioned. It's sexy.
Rule #97: Catholic weddings: the classic dilemma: painfully long ceremony: horny girls.
Rule #98: The newspaper Wedding Announcements are your racing form. Choose carefully.
Rule #99: Be judicious with cologne. Citrus tones are best.
Rule #100: Save the tuxes for "the big show" only.
Rule #101: Avoid women who were psychology majors in college. There is no kind of woman more clingy and persistent than a psychologist investigating your story later on.
Rule #102: No periwinkle colored ties, please.
Rule #103: Always have an early "appointment" the next morning.
Rule #104: Be well groomed and well-mannered.
Rule #105: Never cockblock a fellow Crasher. Cockblocking an invited guest--okay.
Rule #106: Eat plentiful, digest your food. You'll need the energy later.
Rule #107: Know when to abandon ship if it ain't floating.
Rule #108: Know your swing and salsa dancing. Girls love to get twisted around.
Rule #109: Always carry an assortment of place cards to match any wedding design.
Rule #110: Make sure your magic trick and balloon animal skills are not rusty. If the kids love it, the girls will too.
Rule #111: Never have sex with bride or groom's mother even if she is the hottest bombshell at the wedding. Just control yourself.
Rule #112: Have FUN! It's why you're there!
Rule #113: Don't look for opportunities; make them.
Rule #114:
3-4 months to wedding crash--funerals are year round!
Rule #115: Never walk away from a crasher in a funny jacket. (The rule that Jeremy makes up to insult John)
Serial Noceurs (Wedding Crashers)
Je viens de tomber sur le Net sur la liste des fameux 'commandements' que suivent les héros de l'histoire
Je me demande si ça ne nous rappellerai pas quelque chose...
Rule #1: Never leave a fellow Crasher behind. Crashers take care of their own.
Rule #2: Never use your real name.
Rule #3: When crashing an Indian wedding, identify yourself as a well-known immigrant officer or a county lawyer.
Rule #4: No one goes home alone.
Rule #5: Never let a girl come between you and a fellow crasher.
Rule #6: Do not sit in the corner and sulk. It draws attention in a negative way. Draw attention to yourself, but on your own terms.
Rule #7: Blend in by standing out.
Rule #8: Be the life of the party.
Rule #9: Whatever it takes to get in, get in.
Rule #10: Invitations are for pussies.
Rule #11: Sensitive is good.
Rule #12: When it stops being fun, break something.
Rule #13: Bridesmaids are desperate: console them.
Rule #14: You're a distant relative of a dead cousin.
Rule #15: Fight the urge to tell the truth.
Rule #16: Always have an up-to-date family tree.
Rule #17: Every female wedding guest deserves a wedding night.
Rule #18: You love animals and children.
Rule #19: Toast in the native language if you know the native language and have practiced the toast. Do not wing it.
Rule #20: The older the better, the younger the better (see Rule below)
Rule #21: Definitely make sure she's 18.
Rule #22: You have a wedding and a reception to seal the deal. Period. No overtime.
Rule #23: There's nothing wrong with having seconds. Provided there's enough women to go around.
Rule #24: If you get outed, leave calmly. Do not run.
Rule #25: You understand she heard that but that's not what you meant.
Rule #26: Of course you love her.
Rule #27: Don't over drink. The machinery must work in order to close.
Rule #28: Make sure there's an open bar.
Rule #29: Always be a team player. Everyone needs a little help now and again.
Rule #30: Know the playbook so you can call an audible.
Rule #31: If you call an audible, always make sure your fellow Crashers know.
Rule #32: Don't commit to a relative unless you're absolutely sure that they have a pulse.
Rule #33: Never go back to your place.
Rule #34: Be gone by sunrise.
Rule #35: Breakfast is for closers.
Rule #36: Your favorite movie is "The English Patient".
Rule #37: At the reception, one hard drink or two beers max. A drunk crasher is a sloppy crasher.
Rule #38: Girls in hats tend to be proper and rarely give it up.
Rule #39: The way to a woman's bed is through the dance floor.
Rule #40: Dance with old folks and the kids. The girls will think you're "sweet."
Rule #41: Never hit on the bride -- it's a one way ticket to the pavement
Rule #42: Try not to break anything, unless you're not having fun.
Rule #43: At the service, sit in the fifth row. It's close enough to wedding party to seem like you're an invited guest. Never sit in the back. The back row just smells like crashing.
Rule #44: Create an air of mystery that involves some painful experience when interacting with the girl you're after. But don't talk about it.
Rule #45: Always remember your fake name! Rehearse it in advance and make sure you know your fellow Crasher's code-name as well!
Rule #46: The Rules of Wedding Crashing are sacred. Don't sully them by "improvising."
Rule #47: You forgot your invitation in your rush to get to the church.
Rule #48: Make sure all the single women at the wedding know you're there because you've just suffered either a terrible breakup or the death of your fiancée.
Rule #49: Always work into the conversation: "Yeah, I have tons of money. But how does one buy happiness?"
Rule #50: Be pensive! It draws out the "healer" in women.
Rule #51: Always pull out in time.
Rule #52: Tell any woman you're interested in that you'd love to stay put but you promised to help out at the homeless shelter today.
Rule #53: It's time to put your Drama Lessons in practice! Get choked up during the service. The girls will think you're "sensitive". Bring a slice of onion or artificial tears if necessary.
Rule #54: Avoid virgins. They're too clingy.
Rule #55: If pressed, tell people you're related to Uncle John. Everyone has an Uncle John.
Rule #56: Don't fixate on one woman. ALWAYS have a back-up.
Rule #57: When seeing a rival Crasher, do not interact: merely acknowledge each other with a tug on the earlobe and gracefully move on.
Rule #58: The Ferrari's in the shop.
Rule #59: If two rival crashers pick the same girl, the crasher with the least seniority will respectfully yield.
Rule #60: No "chicken dancing": no exceptions.
Rule #61: When crashing out of state, request permission from the local Wedding Crasher chapter.
Rule #62: No more than two weddings a weekend. More and your game gets sloppy. You'll also attract unwanted notice.
Rule #63: Bring an extra umbrella when it rains. Courtesy opens more legs than charm.
Rule #64: Always save room for cake.
Rule #65: When your crash partner fails, you fail. No man is an island.
Rule #66: Smile! You're having the time of your life.
Rule #67: Mix it up a little. You can't always be the man with the haunted past.
Rule #68: Dance with the Bride's grandmother.
Rule #69: No sex on the altar. Confessionals, okay. Chair lofts, better.
Rule #70: Two shutouts in a row? It's time to take a week off. Ask yourself: what is it that is getting in the way of my happiness?
Rule #71: Research, research, research the wedding party. And when you are done researching, research some more.
Rule #72: Studies have shown that women have a more developed sense of smell. Breath mints: small cost, big yield.
Rule #73: Keep interactions with the parents of the bride and groom to a minimum.
Rule #74: In case of emergency, refer to the rulebook.
Rule #75:Girls in hats tend to be proper and rarely give it up.
Rule #76: No excuses. Play like a champion.
Rule #77: Carry extra protection at ALL times.
Rule #78: The unmarried female rabbi: is she fair game? Of course she is.
Rule #79: The tables furthest from the kitchen always get served first.
Rule #80: Stop, look, listen. At weddings. In life.
Rule #81: Occasionally bring a gift: you're getting sex without having to buy dinner, so you can afford a blender.
Rule #82: Always think ahead but always stay in the moment. Reconcile this paradox and you'll not only get the girl, you might also get peace of mind.
Rule #83: Don't let the ring bearer bum your smokes. His parents may start to ask questions.
Rule #84: Stay clear of the wedding planner. They may recognize you and start to wonder.
Rule #85: Don't use the "I have two months to live" bit: not cool, not effective.
Rule #86: Shoes say a lot about the man.
Rule #87: Always choose large weddings. More choice. Easier to blend.
Rule #88: You're from out of town. ALWAYS.
Rule #89: Know something about the place you say you are from, whether be from another US state or another country. Texas is too-played out. For some reason, England, Germany or even New Hampshire seem to work. Master the accents convincingly, and you've nailed them!
Rule #90: Of course you dream of one day having children.
Rule #91: Never dance to "What I Like About You." It's long past time to let that song go. Someone will request it at every wedding. Don't dance to it. No matter how hot the girl.
Rule #92: Tell the bride's friends and family that you are family of the groom and visa-versa.
Rule #93: Only take one car. You never know when you'll need to make a fast escape.
Rule #94: Deep down, most people hate themselves. This knowledge is the key to most bedroom doors.
Rule #95: Try not to show off on the dance floor. This means you Jeremy.
Rule #96: Etiquette isn't old-fashioned. It's sexy.
Rule #97: Catholic weddings: the classic dilemma: painfully long ceremony: horny girls.
Rule #98: The newspaper Wedding Announcements are your racing form. Choose carefully.
Rule #99: Be judicious with cologne. Citrus tones are best.
Rule #100: Save the tuxes for "the big show" only.
Rule #101: Avoid women who were psychology majors in college. There is no kind of woman more clingy and persistent than a psychologist investigating your story later on.
Rule #102: No periwinkle colored ties, please.
Rule #103: Always have an early "appointment" the next morning.
Rule #104: Be well groomed and well-mannered.
Rule #105: Never cockblock a fellow Crasher. Cockblocking an invited guest--okay.
Rule #106: Eat plentiful, digest your food. You'll need the energy later.
Rule #107: Know when to abandon ship if it ain't floating.
Rule #108: Know your swing and salsa dancing. Girls love to get twisted around.
Rule #109: Always carry an assortment of place cards to match any wedding design.
Rule #110: Make sure your magic trick and balloon animal skills are not rusty. If the kids love it, the girls will too.
Rule #111: Never have sex with bride or groom's mother even if she is the hottest bombshell at the wedding. Just control yourself.
Rule #112: Have FUN! It's why you're there!
Rule #113: Don't look for opportunities; make them.
Rule #114:
3-4 months to wedding crash--funerals are year round!
Rule #115: Never walk away from a crasher in a funny jacket. (The rule that Jeremy makes up to insult John)